Two judges, the same claims

rag-langchain scored its answers with google/gemini-2.5-flash as the judge. Here the same 161 claims from 40 answers (4 runs) were judged again by openai/gpt-4o-mini with RAGAS’s own verdict prompt, against the same numbered chunks. Where the two disagree, the chunk text decides who was right.

90%of claims get the same verdict (145 of 161)
16disagreements
12 – 4right on the 16 decided: Gemini – RAGAS

Where they agree

Rows are Gemini’s verdict, columns RAGAS’s. Blue cells are agreement; orange cells are the disagreements listed below. Most disagreements are claims Gemini accepted and RAGAS rejected: RAGAS’s judge is stricter, but stricter isn’t the same as right.

openai/gpt-4o-mini (RAGAS prompt)
google/gemini-2.5-flashsupportednot supported
supported14312
not supported42

What it does to the score

The same answers, scored with each judge’s verdicts (supported ÷ claims per answer, averaged per run). This is how much a faithfulness score depends on which judge you pick. Checked uses the shared verdict where the judges agree, and the decision below where they don’t.

RunAnswersGeminiRAGASChecked
top-k-a100.970.871.00
top-k-b101.000.831.00
two-per-artist101.000.851.00
one-per-artist100.900.950.91

What went wrong

Each disagreement, grouped by the kind of mistake, and which judge made it.

PatternClaimsGemini wrongRAGAS wrong
Tag list missed615
Year in a release list missed33
“or” read as “and”22
Inference from a title211
Is a tag enough?11
Outside knowledge used11
Nothing in the chunk11

Every disagreement

Decisions are in eval/cross-judge-labels.json. Clear cases were decided from the chunk text (the evidence line is quoted). Dashed cards are judgement calls, left for a person to decide.

#1 · top-k-a · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? Tag list missed

“Marvin Gaye is a classic soul / Motown singer.”

✗ Gemini The context provides tags like 'motown' and 'soul' for Marvin Gaye, but it does not explicitly state he is a 'classic soul / Motown singer'.

✓ RAGAS The context describes Marvin Gaye as an artist associated with Motown and soul music.

Evidence: Tags: …; soul; …; motown; … (Marvin Gaye, chunk [2])

Decided: supported → RAGAS was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#2 · top-k-a · Which artists blend hip hop with R&B, and what are some of their albums? Tag list missed

“JAŸ-Z blends hip hop with R&B.”

✓ Gemini The context lists 'hip hop rnb and dance hall' as one of JAŸ-Z's tags.

✗ RAGAS The context does not provide specific information about JAŸ-Z's musical style or genre blending.

Evidence: Tags: …; hip hop rnb and dance hall; … (JAŸ-Z, chunk [3])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#3 · top-k-a · Which artists blend hip hop with R&B, and what are some of their albums? Tag list missed

“Beyoncé blends hip hop with R&B.”

✓ Gemini The context lists 'hip hop rnb and dance hall' and 'hip hop soul' as tags for Beyoncé.

✗ RAGAS The context does not provide specific information about Beyoncé's musical style or genre blending.

Evidence: Tags: …; hip hop rnb and dance hall; hip hop soul; … (Beyoncé, chunk [6])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#4 · top-k-a · When did Adele release 21? Year in a release list missed

“Adele released 21 in 2011.”

✓ Gemini The context block [1] lists '21 (2011)' under the artist Adele, indicating its release in that year.

✗ RAGAS The context mentions Adele's album '21' but does not specify the release year as 2011; it only states '21 (2011)' without confirming it as a release date.

Evidence: - 21 (2011) (Adele, chunk [1])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#5 · top-k-b · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? “or” read as “and”

“2. Aretha Franklin is a classic soul or Motown singer.”

✓ Gemini The context mentions that Aretha Franklin's tags include 'soul' and 'motown'.

✗ RAGAS The context identifies Aretha Franklin as the 'Queen of Soul' and associates her with soul music, which supports her classification as a classic soul singer, but does not explicitly mention Motown.

Evidence: Tags: …; soul; …; the queen of soul; … (Aretha Franklin, chunk [5]). Soul alone makes the “or” true.

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#6 · top-k-b · Which artists blend hip hop with R&B, and what are some of their albums? Tag list missed

“Beyoncé's tags include "hip hop rnb and dance hall".”

✓ Gemini The tags for Beyoncé include "hip hop rnb and dance hall".

✗ RAGAS The context does not provide any tags for Beyoncé, so this statement cannot be verified.

Evidence: Tags: …; hip hop rnb and dance hall; … (Beyoncé, chunk [6])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#7 · top-k-b · Which artists blend hip hop with R&B, and what are some of their albums? Tag list missed

“Beyoncé's tags include "contemporary r&b".”

✓ Gemini The tags for Beyoncé include "contemporary r&b".

✗ RAGAS The context does not provide any tags for Beyoncé, so this statement cannot be verified.

Evidence: Tags: …; contemporary r&b; … (Beyoncé, chunk [6])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#8 · top-k-b · When did Adele release 21? Year in a release list missed

“Adele released 21 in 2011.”

✓ Gemini The context states '21 (2011)' under the artist Adele.

✗ RAGAS The context mentions Adele's album '21' but does not specify the release year as 2011; it only states that she was active since 1988 and lists various releases without confirming the year for '21'.

Evidence: - 21 (2011) (Adele, chunk [1])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#9 · two-per-artist · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? “or” read as “and”

“Aretha Franklin is a classic soul or Motown singer.”

✓ Gemini Aretha Franklin's tags include 'soul' and 'motown' is not listed.

✗ RAGAS The context describes Aretha Franklin as the 'Queen of Soul' and associates her with soul music, which supports her classification as a classic soul singer, but does not explicitly mention Motown.

Evidence: Tags: …; soul; …; the queen of soul; … (Aretha Franklin, chunk [4]). Soul alone makes the “or” true.

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#10 · two-per-artist · When did Adele release 21? Year in a release list missed

“Adele released 21 in 2011.”

✓ Gemini The context states that Adele released "21 (2011)".

✗ RAGAS The context does not mention the album '21' being released by Adele in 2011; it only lists her releases without specifying '21'.

Evidence: - 21 (2011) (Adele, chunk [1])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#11 · one-per-artist · Which artists in the data make Afrobeat or other African music? Tag list missed

“Prince makes Afro house music.”

✓ Gemini Prince's tags include "afro house".

✗ RAGAS There is no mention of 'Afro house' in the context related to Prince.

Evidence: Tags: …; afro house; … (Prince, chunk [6])

Decided: supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#12 · one-per-artist · Which artists in the data make Afrobeat or other African music? Is a tag enough?

“Prince makes African music.”

✓ Gemini Prince's tags include "african".

✗ RAGAS While Prince is an American artist, the context does not explicitly state that he makes African music.

Evidence: Prince has the tag “african”. Does one crowd-sourced tag support “makes African music”?

Decided: not supported → RAGAS was right (the author's judgement call)

#13 · one-per-artist · Which artists are known for Indian film music or Bollywood? Outside knowledge used

“A. R. Rahman is known for Bollywood.”

✓ Gemini The context lists several releases with titles such as 'Bombay' and 'Rangeela', which are common Bollywood film titles, suggesting an association with Bollywood.

✗ RAGAS The context does not explicitly mention A. R. Rahman being known for Bollywood specifically, as it focuses on his film soundtracks without specifying the industry.

Evidence: The chunk is only release titles (Rangeela, Bombay, …). Nothing says film music or Bollywood; knowing those are Bollywood films is outside knowledge.

Decided: not supported → RAGAS was right (claude, from the chunk text)

#14 · one-per-artist · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? Inference from a title

“Marvin Gaye is a classic soul or Motown singer.”

✗ Gemini The context provides a list of Marvin Gaye's releases but does not describe his musical genre or association with Motown.

✓ RAGAS The context lists Marvin Gaye as an artist associated with Motown, indicating his genre.

Evidence: No tags in this chunk. One release is “Motown Superstar Series, Volume 15 (1980)”. Does that support “soul or Motown singer”?

Decided: supported → RAGAS was right (the author's judgement call)

#15 · one-per-artist · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? Inference from a title

“Aretha Franklin is a classic soul or Motown singer.”

✗ Gemini The context lists Aretha Franklin's releases but does not state her musical genre or connection to Motown.

✓ RAGAS The context lists Aretha Franklin as an artist associated with soul music, confirming her genre.

Evidence: No tags in this chunk. Releases include “Queen of Soul (1968)” and “Lady Soul (1968)”. Does an album title support “soul singer”?

Decided: not supported → Gemini was right (the author's judgement call)

#16 · one-per-artist · Which classic soul or Motown singers are in the data? Nothing in the chunk

“Stevie Wonder is a classic soul or Motown singer.”

✗ Gemini The context provides a list of Stevie Wonder's releases but does not describe his musical genre or association with Motown.

✓ RAGAS The context lists Stevie Wonder as an artist associated with Motown, indicating his genre.

Evidence: No tags in this chunk, and no release mentions soul or Motown.

Decided: not supported → Gemini was right (claude, from the chunk text)

Can we trust it when they agree?

Two judges agreeing doesn’t make them right. 20 agreed claims were checked against the chunks: the 2 that both judges rejected, plus 18 drawn at random from the ones both accepted (seed 42, eval/sample_agreements.py). 19 of 20 were right. Where they were wrong, both judges made the same mistake.

ClaimEvidence in the chunks
✗Aretha Franklin is a classic soul / Motown singer.
top-k-a/soul/5 · both judges: not supported
Tags: …; soul; …; the queen of soul; … (Aretha Franklin, chunk [5]). Nothing says Motown; “/” read as “or”, as in the “soul or Motown” decisions. (the author's judgement call: “/” = “or”)
✓Michael Jackson is a classic soul or Motown singer.
one-per-artist/soul/3 · both judges: not supported
Michael Jackson’s only chunk is a release list; nothing mentions soul or Motown.
✓JAŸ-Z's album is The Blueprint (2001).
top-k-a/hiphop-rnb/6 · both judges: supported
- The Blueprint (2001) (JAŸ-Z, chunk [2])
✓BTS is a South Korean boy group.
top-k-a/kpop/3 · both judges: supported
Description: South Korean boy group (BTS, chunk [2])
✓Beyoncé is an artist.
top-k-b/hiphop-rnb/9 · both judges: supported
Artist: Beyoncé (continued) (chunk [6])
✓JAŸ-Z is tagged with "hip hop rnb and dance hall".
top-k-b/hiphop-rnb/1 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; hip hop rnb and dance hall; … (JAŸ-Z, chunk [3])
✓Arijit Singh is known for Bollywood.
top-k-b/bollywood/5 · both judges: supported
No tags. Two titles say Bollywood (“Bollywood Nonstop Dandiya 2023”, “Brand Bollywood Downunder”) and 36 songs are marked “(From <film>)”. (the author's judgement call)
✓Fela Kuti's tags include "afro-beat".
top-k-b/afrobeat/1 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; afro-beat; … (Fela Kuti, chunk [1])
✓JAŸ-Z's album is Vol. 3… Life and Times of S. Carter (1999).
top-k-a/hiphop-rnb/4 · both judges: supported
- Vol. 3… Life and Times of S. Carter (1999) (JAŸ-Z, chunk [2])
✓Stromae is from Belgium.
one-per-artist/stromae/0 · both judges: supported
Country: BE (Belgium) (Stromae, chunk [1])
✓Aretha Franklin is known as "the queen of soul".
top-k-a/soul/7 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; the queen of soul; … (Aretha Franklin, chunk [5])
✓Fela Kuti is Nigerian.
one-per-artist/afrobeat/2 · both judges: supported
Country: NG (Nigeria); Tags: …; nigerian; … (Fela Kuti, chunk [1])
✓J Balvin is a Latin music artist.
top-k-a/latin/0 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; latin urban; …; latin pop; …; latin (J Balvin, chunk [1])
✓BTS is from South Korea.
top-k-a/kpop/4 · both judges: supported
Country: KR (South Korea) (BTS, chunk [2])
✓JAŸ-Z's album is Reasonable Doubt (1996).
top-k-a/hiphop-rnb/1 · both judges: supported
- Reasonable Doubt (1996) (JAŸ-Z, chunk [1])
✓Lata Mangeshkar is referred to as "The Nightingale Of India" in the release titled "The Golden Voices Of Bollywood - Volume 1".
top-k-b/bollywood/3 · both judges: supported
- The Golden Voices Of Bollywood - Volume 1 - The Nightingale Of India (2007) (Lata Mangeshkar, chunk [4])
✓Some of Arijit Singh's film songs include "Kesariya (From 'Brahmastra')", "Chaleya (From 'Jawan')", and "What Jhumka? (From 'Rocky Aur Rani Kii Prem Kahaani')".
top-k-b/bollywood/7 · both judges: supported
- Kesariya (From “Brahmastra”), - Chaleya (From “Jawan”), - What Jhumka? (From “Rocky Aur Rani Kii Prem Kahaani”) (Arijit Singh, chunks [5] and [6])
✓Arijit Singh is known for Bollywood.
one-per-artist/bollywood/4 · both judges: supported
No tags. Two titles say Bollywood and 9 songs are marked “(From <film>)” (Arijit Singh, chunk [2]). (the author's judgement call)
✓Bad Bunny is a Latin music artist.
top-k-b/latin/1 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; latin; …; latin urban; latin trap; … (Bad Bunny, chunk [2])
✓Fela Kuti makes Afro-beat music.
one-per-artist/afrobeat/1 · both judges: supported
Tags: …; afrobeat; …; afro-beat; … (Fela Kuti, chunk [1])

Limits

  • Gemini wrote the claims. RAGAS’s claim-splitting step was skipped so the verdicts could be compared one to one, so every claim is phrased the way Gemini split the answer.
  • One pass of the RAGAS judge. Its verdicts move between runs. The agreement rate is for this pass.
  • Agreements were only sampled. 20 of 145 were checked, so the error rate among agreements is a rough estimate. The “checked” scores assume every agreement not in the sample is right.
  • The four runs share questions, so the same claim (“Adele released 21 in 2011”) can count up to four times.